Homeopathy-Power to Unlock Traumas and Quite Possibly Save The World with Dr. Isaac Golden- #20

1:29 Charlene Lincoln: Welcome back. Thank you so much for joining us on another episode of The Fertility Hour. I’m honored to have this next guest. His name is Dr. Isaac Golden. He’s a research member of the National Institute of Integrative Medicine and a Director of the Australasian College of Hahnemannian Homeopathy. Dr. Golden has been a homeopathic practitioner since 1984 and a teacher since 1988. He founded the Australasian College of Hahnemannian Homeopathy in 1990 which offers distance education courses in homeopathic and natural medicine. Isaac is a regular contributor to local and international academic journals and is the author of 11 books on homeopathy. He has lectured in 10 countries.

A world authority of homeoprophylaxis – the use of homeopathic medicines for specific infectious disease prevention – and was the first person to be awarded a PhD from a mainstream Australian University for research on a homeopathic topic. He was an Honorary Research Fellow, Faculty of Science, Federation University Australia from 2013 to 2016. He is presently undertaking a range of research projects in Australia and overseas. He is currently Deputy Chair of the National Institute of Integrative Medicine Ethics Committee, and is a research consultant. He is the Australian contact person for Liga Medicorum Homoeopathica Internationalis, and also President of the Victorian branch of the Australian Homeopathic Association.

Let’s just say, gosh, you see seem quite busy. I’m very much immersed in the world of homeopathy and so thank you, Dr. Golden, thank you so much for joining us today.

Dr. Isaac Golden: Charlene, you make me sound very old, which actually I am. I am no longer president of the Victorian branch. That was two decades ago.

3:45 CL: I see, okay. I’m sorry. I think I make you sound highly esteemed and extremely busy and very smart.  

IG: Thank you very much for your invitation as well. I do appreciate it although I do feel in some ways I’m on your program under slightly false pretenses because, as I explained, I wouldn’t class myself as a specialist in fertility management but there are certainly many things that homeopathy can offer which are possibly a little bit different to what many of the people watching would have gone through.

3:24 CL: I understand. Just so that you get a sense of our audience, most are women and who have been trying for maybe several months to several years, they have fertility issues. They are looking for natural approaches, whether they are trying to conceive naturally or doing the IVF route, and so we do have an interest in homeopathy and we have questions about using vaccinations while trying to conceive because we really educate women and men that there is a preconception period where the body is producing new batches of sperm where the egg cells are maturing into the egg you end up ovulating. There is that very protective time period and what we do to our bodies affects that egg and sperm quality. That’s why we wanted to have you on and kind pick your brain about how can homeopathy help because when someone is going through fertility issues, it’s very emotional, it’s very stressful. It’s hard on the body. A lot of stress hormones are going up and down, hormonal changes are happening. So I know that homeopathy can offer a lot in that arena and so that’s what I wanted to ask you about.

IG: Okay. Obviously, I’ve been in practice for over 30 years and I’ve worked with quite a number of couples over that time who have been having problems conceiving. Most of them have come to me after they’ve tried other things whether it’d be the orthodox options or natural options, particularly looking at nutritional options, naturopathic related. Those options all have a lot to offer and certainly nutrition and looking at the actual pure physiological aspects. I mean, obviously, if a man’s sperm count is extremely low, then there are physical things. As simple as taking zinc, for example, which will increase it. So I’m sure that most of your audience will be familiar with those already and you probably certainly have experts in those areas. So I’m not going to try and go over that.

But where I found that I’ve been able to help over the years – and there are a couple of little Isaacs out there apparently who have been named after me, so their parents tell me – is looking at other issues. Because, you see, in homeopathy we find that we look at the whole person, very, very important. And Dr. Hahnemann who founded homeopathy over 200 years ago, one of the great contributions he made was to really emphasize that we are more than just a physical body. And you talked about stress and things like that, it’s not just during the period of trying to conceive. It’s over the person’s life. For example, I found with more women than men, but occasionally men, that if they had severe trauma in their infancy and it’s not always sexual abuse but that certainly is one very definite trauma that can affect fertility, it’s as though something is set up in the person’s system and when I talk about their system, I’m talking about the physical body, the emotional self, the intellectual self. Now, there are more selves in that but that’s enough to get started with on this plane.

So what we find is that traumas get trapped into the system. Now, I think you can see my hands. The way that homeopathy considers is that we’re all pushed out of balance from time to time on any of those three levels. Normally, if we’re healthy, our self-healing mechanism brings us back to balance. But sometimes something pushes out of balance and we’re locked in. It’s like a trauma can create a layer which prevents the self-healing mechanism from returning the person to balance. And sexual trauma, emotional trauma, being unloved as a child can do that. So what the homeopathic medicines are very good at doing is going back 20, 30 years even, releasing the trauma and then that allows the body’s self-healing balance to be restored from within, which is great because you don’t need to keep taking medicines. If you can assist the body to heal itself then it will continue to do that. You know, vaccination is probably the first major trauma most infants suffer, and that can last for a person’s whole life. Sometimes we get back to that.

I know that you were wanting to talk later on and we will about vaccines during pregnancy or during the period of conception, but even early childhood vaccines occasionally can be a factor. The reason I say that with confidence is because when I treat vaccine damage in these days I only do two days a week clinic and probably half of my patients are vaccine-injured children and some adults as well. And when we treat vaccine injury with homeopathic potencies of the suspected vaccine and the person improves, for example if a child’s autistic and they have no eye contact, they have no language, they have no social interaction with other people and even their parents, it’s like if you remove the block and all those symptoms go, the child over a period of maybe 1 or 2 years returns to full functioning. We know if those certain remedies are used, it must have been the vaccine that caused them, the initial problem. Because otherwise, that remedy wouldn’t have worked. I’ve occasionally seen and usually as a last resort to be honest, in patients who have trouble with conception, using a potency of a vaccine can sometimes unlock that. But certainly, more commonly, dealing with those early childhood traumas or even later traumas, in teens when they become young adults, sometimes getting married is a trauma, for a whole range of reasons – some of which are obvious and some of which aren’t. Then if you can actually unlock those traumas, the self-healing occurs and that’s where homeopathy has a lot of potential because the potentized substances can reach into the subtle bodies, they can reach into the emotional body and the mental body or the intellectual body as well as the physical body and cause change.

10:33 CL: That’s really fascinating. Are you able to kind of go back into your memory banks and think of an example of a couple that was dealing with some type of fertility issue and kind of the trauma? I know that the homeopathic intake is extremely thorough, and you go back into every detail. But do you remember a certain incidence with a couple where you go “Oh, that was it”?

IG: Yeah. So one that I do remember which is not that long ago – because my memory is not exactly first class, so recent ones are good – was a couple who came in and we talked. I always allow at least an hour for the first consult because with something like this, one doesn’t know where the consultation will lead. One doesn’t know in advance what the problem is going to be. Now this was actually a couple who could not conceive but yet they’ve been to orthodox people, they’ve been to nutritional people and everything seemed to be fine. So in other words, all the orthodox tests, nothing showed up as being a particular physiological problem. So I then started talking about early stuff, emotional stuff, stuff from their childhood. The wife told me and she was very distressed about this that she had been sexually abused as a young girl. What we came to was sort of an understanding and it may or may not have been exactly the full understanding, but there was something within her which sort of still carried a degree of shame and also a feeling of not being worthy of having children. Of course, the mind can rule the body. We know this in so many ways. So what the main treatment was, was going back to that episode in her life and giving her the appropriate remedy to work on that and within six months, she was pregnant. Now this is a couple that have been trying for years where there was no obvious physical problem.

So, that sort of example is not uncommon in my experience because, as I said, I don’t necessarily specialize. Some homeopaths apparently do infertility where they may use homeopathic potencies. You see, homeopathy can be used in a range of different ways. In that example I just gave you, I used high potencies of infrequent doses like once a fortnight, so you’re not taking something all the time. Those high potencies can go right back to the person’s childhood and their infancy, if necessary.

But you can also use homeopathics differently like, for example, to change hormone levels. If for example there are problems with estrogen or progesterone levels or in the male testosterone levels. You can actually use high or low potencies of hormones to increase or decrease hormone levels. Or sometimes there are other remedies. A very well-known remedy or two well-known remedies in homeopathy is sepia and pulsatilla, and many of your listeners who have used homeopathics, those names are probably familiar. But they are constitutional remedies for other uses. In other words, they have their own personality profile. The pulsatilla type needs love; they’re very caring, they’re very tactile people, they love hugs and cuddles and usually as long as they feel secure in a relationship, they’ll blossom. The sepia, on the other hand, when they’re unwell, they want to be on their own. Even if they’re upset they don’t want consolation. They can push their loved ones away. Low potency sepia is one of our best remedies for postnatal depression. In fact, I would say I’ve seen probably about an 80 percent success rate for patients who have seen me with postnatal depression over the decades. And that’s all they need, a low potency of sepia. But if we want to stimulate estrogen or progesterone, then we would use low potencies of those remedies. Or low potencies of the hormones themselves. If we want to reduce the levels, we would use high potencies of the hormones or maybe there’s other remedies. With the male if we want to increase testosterone levels, we can use a low potency of testosterone or we can look at the endocrine system and go back and it may well be. This is another thing that I’ve actually seen in a number of patients over the years going about a physical thing. But they were not able to concede.

When we looked at the case that the woman, in particular, gave symptoms of underactive thyroid. Now, the endocrine system or the glandular system is a negative feedback loop. They thyroid is regarded by many as the master gland. So if the thyroid is underactive, that can affect the female reproductive hormones and also the male by the way as well, although it’s much more common in females than males for whatever reason. And so in a couple of cases, by working and using homeopathic medicines, in particular I use a low potency of TSH (thyroid-stimulating hormone). So some people give low potencies of the hormone itself. I actually prefer to go back one stage in the endocrine cycle and use low potencies of TSH, supported by something like Bladderwrack or kelp which is very rich in natural iodine. So you need to give the nutrition to the thyroid which is through the herbal and you need to stimulate the endocrine system to start the natural increase in the production of the thyroid hormone itself using the low potency TSH, and that then can stimulate the rest of the endocrine system including the reproductive system. So it really is a case by case issue in trying to find out what really is the cause.

17:26 CL: Homeopathy, obviously, is so different than conventional medicine but you talk about treating the thyroid or different hormonal imbalances and just on such a subtle energetic level and for it to be effective because when you look at conventional or modern medicine, we’re always trying to kind of inundate, bombard, overpower. One feels a little bit assaulting on the system and the other feels like “wow”, it’s so subtle and energetic, could it really be that effective? Which I think most people would really rather go to that approach.

IG: Remember this is the era, if you like, of nanotechnology. I’m actually off to my fourth visit to India next month to do research on their homeopathic immunization programs there. But they are doing amazing work over there. It’s an incredible country, India. There’s great affluence and there’s great poverty. There’s incredible scientific technology as well as a lack of basic medical services in some areas. So it’s a country of great extremes. I just love going there because of the work that they’re doing. But they’re leading the world in researching homeopathics from a nano technology point of view. In fact, I was just looking at a paper yesterday where they looked at the weight, the nano weight of homeopathic “repotentized” materials compared to the actual potency scale. What they found that is if you’ve got a graph where the potency is along the X axis and the weight is along the Y axis (going up), they’ve got a graph like that which showed that the weight kept reducing as the potency increased to a point and then the weight remained the same.

Now, according to orthodox medicine this is impossible. That they’ve done repeated experiments with different medicines in different potencies and using very sophisticated nano measuring equipment. They’ve done this repeatedly, they’ve shown this graph repeatedly. What that means is that once you get past a certain potency, there still is at a very, very minute, I mean minute to the point if you send the sample to an orthodox laboratory and said, “what’s in this?” they’d say nothing. Water or milk sugar or sucrose if it was a pill. They’d say there’s no active ingredient. Whereas in fact what this is showing is there is an active ingredient but it’s being reduced past the point that if you like the more conventional measuring systems in laboratories, it can be dealt with at a nano level.

So eventually, and I don’t know if I will still be alive when it happens, but eventually there will be, if you like, an orthodox explanation of homeopathy using the understanding of nano technology, nano interactions because that’s where they exist. Now if we’ll ever be able to understand the full interaction of even nanoparticles with our emotional and intellectual selves, I don’t know. The bottom line is, we don’t need to. What we can do is see if a certain procedure works. And orthodox made this and they used aspirin for decades without knowing how it worked, but they knew it did work. And then eventually, people came and they worked out the mechanism of action.

And that’s exactly the parallel analogy with homeopathy. In an orthodox sense, we don’t know how it works. But we can prove that it does work. And you see that’s the work I do, going to Cuba four times, to India (this is my fourth trip) and being in contact with researchers around the world on the homeopathic immunization. We can’t explain how it works in terms of orthodox medicine and orthodox immunology. But what we can show in literally tens of millions of people that it does work, and that’s the most important thing. And we know that it works safely just as homeopathic treatment is safe.

22:20 CL: That opens up a whole other, what is it, bag of worms. Gosh. There might have to be a part two on this interview because a lot of people, and I’m just going to play devil’s advocate, they could say, “Oh, India. Aren’t they still having epidemics of polio and things like that? They need vaccines. Are these really being effective and stopping epidemics?” So let’s hold that as far as talking about homeoprophylaxis because here in America I don’t think homeoprophylaxis is that well known. I could be mistaken. We have a pretty smart audience.

IG: It’s starting to become…

23:06 CL: Little by little, yeah.

IG: The number of people over there. I actually attended a conference in Dallas, Texas a couple of years ago from a colleague of mine, Cilla Whatcott. So the American understanding of homeopathy is starting to spread again.

In the early 1900s, late 1800s, a third of all general practitioners in America where homeopathic doctors. They used homeopathy as well. Then the Flexner Report came in your country in the early 1900s and that changed. That wiped out most of the homeopathic medical schools and then there’s a whole lot of history with pharma and etc. etc., I won’t go into. But yeah, homeopathy was very, very popular over a decade ago in America and it almost was wiped out but it’s now steadily coming back particularly amongst better educated, more affluent people because they’re the people who understand their choices. In India, orthodox medicine is used a great deal. But there’s a resurgence. Even though India already is, if you like, keeping the flame of homeopathy burning around the world in terms of numbers, they have over 200,000 homeopathic medical doctors in India. Two hundred thousand. They’ve got hundreds of homeopathic medical colleges. For example, I’m going to be visiting the CCRH (Central Council for Research in Homeopathy) which is the peak national body for research. They’ve got over a thousand doctors and scientists working there. That’s more than the number of homeopaths in Australia. The numbers are amazing but yet, they do follow a lot of orthodox practices, but they have delivered the world’s largest interventions in literally 20 million people per annum – immunization interventions. But they still use vaccines. Interestingly enough, Bill Gates was kicked out of India not that long ago because of the damage caused by a vaccine that he was promoting. So that is for another day.

25:34 CL: Okay, that’s an interesting topic and that’s definitely a part two. When we were reflecting back on fertility and homeopathy, I hope by listening to this people won’t look at homeopathy as sort of “I’ve tried everything. Maybe I should consider this.” Because say that you use IVF or IUI or some type of assisted reproductive technology or you’re just trying to take care of yourself and trying to conceive naturally. Homeopathy can be brought in as a primary tool. It’s not like “I’ve exhausted all efforts. Let me take a look at this”, because what you were saying is you can treat the thyroid hormonal imbalances, trauma that might be affecting the subconscious and stopping you from getting pregnant or your body feeling safe enough to get pregnant. So it has a lot of applications as far as fertility goes. I’m wondering if homeopathy, can it remedy something like EMF exposure? We’re surrounded obviously by it and that’s affecting sperm quality, egg quality, etc.

IG: Yeah. There’s remedies that we can use almost anything. I use quite a bit a homeopathic potency of x-ray. If a person’s had a lot of x-rays, then sometimes that remedy can be very helpful. Because homeopathy works on what’s called a principle, the Law of Similars, if something is similar then it could still have a potential benefit. So sometimes when people come in talking about EMF exposure, I might give them a potency of x-ray. But there are new remedies being developed all the time in homeopathy. We have something like 3000 remedies and many of them have thousands of symptoms listed from the mind through to the head then to the toes and everything in between.

And so, it’s a massive database beyond any one person’s mind to hold it all and that’s why these days we have techniques like the computerization which means we can put in key symptoms and then the computer will sort the remedies that are associated with those symptoms and you might put in, say, eight symptoms and that will then give you a matrix showing the remedies that best cover those particular symptoms and then you can manipulate it. Like in the old days when I started, it was all done by hand and I’ve got a thick repertory which is just about 400 pounds because it’s over 30 years old and it’s been used many, many times.

And that’s what we used to. Sometimes we’d have to take a case for an hour or so and then go away for another hour or so and sit down and do these quite completed reportorial matrices. These days with the computers you can do all of that in 10 minutes. So it makes it much quicker and much easier and the repertories are developing all the time and new remedies are being brought in.

But I want to just go back to a point you just said about homeopathy possibly being used not as a last resort but earlier on in the process. And just make it a general point that a lot of people who are trying to conceive, they spend a huge amount of effort trying to become as healthy as possible, which is a really good thing to do, by the way. But for most people, these days still, healthy means you can run not surely a marathon but you can go jogging, you can do pushups, you eat good food, you try and minimize exposure to toxins on every level, etc. They don’t always remember that health means emotional health and intellectual health.

Certainly, homeopathy can work on the physical side of things but very importantly, it can work on those deeper things as we talked about earlier. And very often if there is that blockage on that more subtle level maybe from infancy or childhood, until that’s removed, the benefit of physical health will not be fully appreciated, will not be fully able to be used by the whole system because, you see, our God-given self-healing mechanism as an inward intelligence that will always try and heal the most serious thing first and the least serious thing last. Now the least serious thing is our skin. The next level down in the hierarchy is the mucus membrane. So that’s why sometimes when people get skin rashes or mucus discharges, that’s a good sign. It’s a sign that the system is trying to eliminate through the least critical organs.

The most critical area of all is the will to live. So we have a massive range from the skin to the will to live and everything in between. But what the point I’m making is that if there is trauma on that very subtle level, the level of will, the level of peace of mind, for lack of a better word, then the body’s self-healing mechanism will put more energy to that than to the physical self. And so, instead of healing and balancing being completed on the physical self, even if the person is having a good diet and supplements and exercise, etc., if most of their healing energy is going to that emotional trauma, then you need to get rid of that. You need to help heal that on that very subtle level and then the physical body will receive all that self-healing capacity that it can. You see, one of the lovely things about homeopathy is that both the patient and the practitioner don’t need to know exactly what’s there, what’s wrong, or what’s happened.

Very often, adult patients come in and they know that something happened but they don’t know what. You don’t need to recover the memory to be able to work on that. What you need to be able to do is understand how the person’s current symptoms are reflecting what’s wrong.

And this is one of the great contributions Dr. Hahnemann made was to show really clearly that we don’t need to work out theories of this, that or something else and be correct for the medicine to help. As long as we understand how what has happened is now expressing itself through the symptoms of the patient, to Dr. Hahnemann the symptoms were everything because they were the body’s self-healing mechanisms attempt to produce a positive result. They were showing how that individual person was reacting to the stress that they experienced. You might have 10 people who experienced trauma in infancy and they’ll need 10 different remedies because they manifest their own self-healing mechanism that is manifesting the symptoms differently, and as the symptoms change, the needed remedy changes.

And that’s the beauty of homeopathy when it’s practiced in its purest state, its truly classical state – is that the practitioner will spend the time necessary to really understand the changes that have occurred to the extent that it’s able, the timing. It’s like being a detective. When I take a case, I always ask people, “When symptoms changed, how old were you?” It’s amazing how often. You’ll say, “Oh, did you realize that that change occurred at the same year that this thing happened?” “Oh, I never thought of that before.” It’s amazing how often that simple little connection can really open up a case. Because some sort of trauma happened to a person or immense change, symptoms change. It might have been chronic headaches. It might have been a change in the menstrual cycle. Which was not immediately related to the change because it might have been some months later. But if you put them together in the whole history of the person’s life and say “Okay, that is a point of change in your symptom history and that is very likely the cause, so we’ll treat that cause.” Now if you treat the cause and the symptoms change again, you know that you’ve dealt with at least part of the problem. Does that make sense?

34:54 CL: It does. That was just so poetic and beautiful how you explained that and I love how you brought up about how the body focuses on kind of the will to live was kind of like the most important, out to the skin, if you do have that type of trauma. People could be listening and think, “Well, I don’t have big traumas in my life,” but it’s interesting what the subconscious mind holds onto as traumas. Sometimes you don’t even remember. Birth trauma/coming out of the birth canal, that could be traumatic and I’ve definitely seen that with people work through that and so homeopathy can really address it and then once it does, then the body can refocus, “Okay, now I can heal here.”

IG: Can I just actually say one thing, Charlene, that I think is really important for your audience to understand? Being really practical in the real world, not everyone who calls themselves a homeopath has expert homeopathic training or experience. And I’m not denigrating any other modality because every modality can contribute to a positive response in its own unique way. But I do know in Australia and I’m sure it is the same in America that there are many people who call themselves homeopaths or add homeopathy to their list of things they do with a minimal amount of actual deep training. They may be very, very good at first aid, acute treatments. A lot of people use complexes rather than individual remedies.

So what I’m talking about for your listeners if they want to avail themselves of something like this, they need to see a homeopath who specializes in homeopathy, who understands what we call constitutions, miasms, layers of “never well since”. That statement of “never will since”, this is an enormously significant one and actually it brings to mind another case where I had a patient where the wife, again, was never well since glandular fever. Now, we all know people probably who never quite have the same energy or the zest for life since glandular fever. But you don’t think about it for fertility. But this was a big thing in this lady’s case. We treated it using high potencies of the nosode, the potency of the organism itself and, lo and behold, within some months, she was pregnant. Now I can’t definitively prove that that was the reason why she became pregnant. All I can say is that when I took her case and they’ve been trying, once again, for years to fall pregnant, the couple, when I took her case there was a clear “never well since” from glandular fever and once that was dealt with, not long after that she fell pregnant.

Now, that might have been good fortune, good timing, but it’s I think an example of how we have to deal with the traumas and the traumas aren’t all sexual abuse or being bullied at school. Those things are very significant. But it also can be a flu the person has never fully recovered from or they’ve been overseas and they’ve got cholera or hep A or something like that from food and water overseas and then never being the same. See, the key thing to look for in a carefully taken case and you have to spend time to do this, is where are the points of “never well since”. It’s such an important little phrase there in determining real causes. Whenever you see a “never well since” in a case history, the symptoms and the person may have three or four of them, you know that you still have to deal with something there. There is a block there which has prevented the self-healing mechanism from fully coming back to balance like we’re talking before and homeopathy, as I said, is great for moving the blocks.

39:26 CL: Thanks for bringing that up. Just as a side note with the glandular fever Epstein-Barr virus, I think there’s a lot we don’t know about that virus but it does make sense as far as fertility goes because it’s been linked to a lot of conditions that they consider to be autoimmune disorders like Hashimoto’s, it’s actually Epstein-Barr that can lay dormant in the body and then reappear. So it makes sense to me with that case.

IG: It lies dormant but if it’s lying dormant and it is still a factor, it will be a clue in the symptom history. This is the point that Hahnemann was saying. That if something is not active, it’s not in an active phase but if it’s influencing there in the background, the symptoms will change somewhat. It may not be blindingly obvious. It might be quite subtle like the person becomes a bit more irritable or the person weeps over trifolds or easily. It can be little things like that which in the big scheme of things don’t seem to be really significant but if you notice a change on reflection in those sorts of things, that can be an indication of a layer, a blockage in the system.

40:46 CL: It brings up another thing. They call it like the 21st century disease, adrenal fatigue, HPA axis dysregulation. I know from our conversation now that I’m sure homeopathy can address it, but what’s a unique way that homeopathy kind of looks at that and addresses adrenal issues?

IG: Well, what’s the cause of the adrenal fatigue? That’s the first question. So adrenal fatigue is the result, but what’s the cause? I know my wife who is a very experienced nurse and a naturopath and a diabetes educator and we work in very complementary ways, although every now and again she’ll say, “Oh, homeopathy, there’s nothing there.” Because she uses mainly nutritional things. And she has some fantastic supplements which I’m sure anyone in America would have access to for restoring the adrenal system when the person is being burnt out, that they’re trying to do too many things. But what’s the real cause? Is it just that they’re in a really busy job and it’s so demanding, they just work 20 hours a day and they spend 4 hours sleeping with quick meals on the way. That’s an extreme example. But there are a lot of people where it can be as simple as that.

But then there’s a lot of things that cause adrenal burnout besides just burning the candle at both ends because, once again, and I know I’m sounding repetitive here, if we’ve got something subtle in the background, it’s always draining our energy. Now, we may be only working 35-40 hours a week. We might come home and rest and go for a walk with the kids and do things which makes the lifestyle look relaxed compared to many people. But if there’s this constant drain in the background of processing, processing, processing, that can also lead to adrenal fatigue as well. So once again, the causes can be physical right through to the must subtle causes, and once again, it comes back to why. In fact, when I used to do a lot of lecturing with students, I used to tell them before they finish the course and say when you set up your clinic, if you’re sitting there and your patient is sitting there, behind your patient, on the wall behind the patient, put a three-letter word and that should remind you always to do your job – and the three-letter word is “why”.  Because if you can find the “why”, you’re more than 50 percent along the way to treat.

And yeah, in homeopathy we can use potencies of adrenal hormone but I would rather find out why. Also in homeopathy if you move away from the actual potencies of the hormones themselves, you can look at certain remedies which are very, very often associated with burnout because there are people who are always rushing, always active. They can’t relax, their mind is always full of thoughts. The flower essences, you know, Also have remedies for that constant unwanted thoughts, all that sort of stuff. So there’s more than one modality that is capable of treating on that level, but it’s a really important level.

So it gives the homeopath a range of options if you were treating something as physical as adrenal fatigue, but I would personally always use physical support as well for the adrenal system. I wouldn’t just rely on homeopathy. I mean obviously, I love homeopathy. It’s my #1 thing. But every modality has something to offer and I think it’s any practitioner who thinks that their modality is the only that’s ever needed is very unwise. We should use what’s best for the patient. The patient’s needs need to be #1 and if some of the times that involves using physical things, fine. If sometimes a person needs to go to a chiropractor or an osteopath, fine. If sometimes they need drugs, fine. Drugs at times can be lifesaving, but most of the time drugs are suppressive. In a way, big pharma has found the perfect business model. If you do three things: if you reduce infant mortality, if you increase life expectancy, and you increase the percentage of people with chronic illness, you’re going to make a fortune. Say no more.

46:04 CL: Success in all fronts. Absolutely. Okay, so let’s talk about big pharma. It is flu season here in America and people have died, the media is all over their story that we are under attack by this influenza virus and so the flu vaccine, it’s like I want to tread so lightly into this vaccine topic because it’s so polarizing, it’s very political and I don’t want to get into all that. But some people are like, “I’m kind of scared. Should I get vaccinated? But I’m trying to conceive.” What are the considerations and what can let’s say homeopathy or homeoprophylaxis offer as a protection?

IG: So very, very gently into this thing. Not a full-on. If you want to do a full-on one, later on, another time. It’s not appropriate here and I totally understand that. But let me make just a couple of brief points. Vaccines were first used in 1796. Homeopathic immunization was first used in 1798. They’ve both been around for over 200 years. Homeopathic immunization is not an attempt to mimic vaccination which works on the last line of defense, the antibody-antigen response to it in illness. Homeopathic immunization – we don’t have time to talk about this now – works on the first line of defense which is the line of susceptibility or what we call idiosyncrasy. Once again, as I said earlier, I can’t explain how it works but I can, well, not in orthodox terms I can give you an esoteric explanation or energetic explanation, but I can show you that it does.

Now, if you’re talking about something like the flu vaccine, the flu vaccine is one of the few vaccines that still contains mercury. Mercury has been taken out of most of our standard childhood vaccines in Australia and America, but the flu vaccine generally still contains mercury and just about all of them contain aluminum. The problem we have with vaccination, I’m actually not anti-vaccine, I have plenty of patients who vaccinate their children. It’s not a problem in themselves. It’s not a problem to me. But the problem is this: that 20 developed countries around the world have vaccine damage compensation schemes. Yours is the best known. Australia, my country, is one of only three countries in the developed world that doesn’t have a vaccine damage compensation scheme along with Canada and Ireland, I think. When you look at those schemes, we see literally billions of dollars being paid by governments as vaccine injury compensation. So there’s no question at all that at times, vaccines can cause injury. When you read vaccine inserts from the vaccine manufacturers, they state vaccines may cause injury at times. They say it’s very rare but they acknowledge it can happen.

And finally, when you look at orthodox medical journals, we find that the one thing that has never been published in decades and billions of dollars are spent on vaccine safety research is a comparison between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated children looking at their physical, emotional and intellectual health over a period of time. That’s never been done. There are six small studies that I’m aware of. I did one of them as part of my PhD. But then there are five others that I’m aware of which exclusively look at this, and every one of those studies, none of which on their own are adequate to give a definitive answer, all say that the unvaccinated cohort is three to five times healthier than the vaccinated cohort in terms of chronic disease and when you look at DPT vaccine in Africa – death.

So, we know that there’s a level of concern. Even if you believe all the most positive portrayal of what vaccines have done, and vaccines have done positive things. I wouldn’t for a moment say they haven’t achieved particularly in certain epidemic situations a positive result. When you look at the best example of that, there still is a case to answer in terms of risk-benefit. Now, if you look at something like flu, every year I use a remedy, Influenzinum, which is basically a nosode of flu and I use a triple nosode which has three different strains of flu. And I’ve got people who come back, I only see them once a year, they come back once a year. In Australia, it’s about now actually leading into the autumn and winter season and in America it’s obviously probably around September-ish, October-ish, where they just use that as a preventative.

Now, I’ve kept a lot of records of the use of homeopathic immunization in childhood diseases. I haven’t kept specific records on flu but there’s no reason to believe that the fevers are any different. I have collected a lot of anecdotal stuff where particularly elderly people living in retirement homes. I always remember a little old lady, I have to call her that because that’s what she was, came in one year and said, “You know, I’m the only person in the home who didn’t get the vaccine last year and I was the only person who didn’t get the flu.” And that’s an anecdote, but it’s the sort of thing you hear time and time again. In Australia last year, the flu vaccine had an effectiveness range in between 10 and 15 percent as measured by the orthodox vaccine people in Australia. We can expect on average homeopathic immunization to give around about a 90 percent effectiveness, and that’s across all diseases where we have vaccines that varies considerably. Measles, they say, is 99 percent after 2 doses, well it’s probably closer to 90. But it’s still a very high level of effectiveness. Down to things like flu, the cholera vaccine is very poor because the strain in the community in developed countries is changing. The whooping cough vaccine, the efficacy has probably gone from about 80 something down to about 60 something. So, they change.

But because we’re working with a different principle on a different level of the immune system, the 90 percent average is reasonable to look at with homeoprophylaxis. So what it does do, it gives parents, mom and dad, not just mom who will try to fall pregnant, an option to use over the flu season which is certainly probably more effective than the vaccine that which is certainly nontoxic and will not interfere with whatever method or methods you’re using to try and fall pregnant. It will not interfere with the subtle system or your physical system. And so it’s a genuine option for people to consider. With things like measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, I mean every one of my generation here, we all had those diseases. In healthy children with an appropriateness in care, they’re very mild diseases. Homeopathy has wonderful treatments for those simple diseases, the ones that I have mentioned.

So once again, it’s much better for a young girl to get rubella which is probably the mildest of all infectious diseases because that’s her best chance of being immune to rubella for the rest of her life. Neither the vaccine nor the homeopathic option will guarantee lifelong immunity against rubella. But you know, the homeopathic option has one great example of benefit over the vaccine and that is if a woman falls pregnant unexpectedly or even expectedly and she finds that her rubella antibodies are very low, it’s quite safe to take the rubella immunization homeopathically in the first trimester. It doesn’t hold the risk potential in the vaccine and even the vaccine manufacturer would say you should not be vaccinating in the first trimester.

So, we have such wonderful options here and this is one of the things that Hahnemann said, not talking just about immunization but about medicine in general and even though it was 200 years ago, they used toxic substances like mercury and sulfur drops and all these sorts of things. The modern drugs, some are much less toxic but some are just as toxic. What he said is that he couldn’t believe that the beneficial creator of all would not provide us with simple, safe, natural solutions to almost all health issues. I believe that very sincerely.

55:46 CL: I believe it, too. Amen to that. A little while back when you were talking about them removing mercury or thimerosal out of the vaccines, we call it aluminum here. I just wanted people to understand because I think that’s sort of a greenwash technique where they go, “Look it, we’ve removed the mercury out of your vaccines.” But then if you read what is left, I mean like, “Okay, well the mercury is out but there is 50 other potentially toxic additives.”

IG: A little story I have exactly on that point. But I’m not going to mention names, I don’t want to be sued. But some years ago, a patient of mine rang up and said, “Oh, your name is being mentioned on a certain radio station ABC.” So I dialed in and I missed most of the conversation but it was an interview with one of Australia’s leading vaccine developers, someone who was held in the highest esteem right across governments, etc. The interviewer was a bit of an idiot, actually. He was a charming guy. He was an old ex-rock star and he probably smoked too much dope and taken too many other substances that only got all his brain cells.

57:04 CL: There’s a remedy for that. Maybe.

IG: He had a list of questions and he said to the professor, “Oh, so I believe that there are heavy metals, toxic metals in vaccines.” And this guy said, “Oh, no, no. We took mercury out of childhood vaccines some years ago.” So he went, “Oh, that’s great. There’s no metals in vaccines anymore.” And the guy didn’t say anything. At the end of the interview, the radio guy, he said the same thing in his summary, “So we know that metals are being taken out of vaccines.” Once again, the professor said nothing. He was associated with a vaccine that not only had aluminum but also had borax. And educated readers can work out which one I’m talking about probably.

But it was not a lie, but it wasn’t the truth. This is the problem that the leading scientific organizations in your country and mine and around the world frequently. They might not outward directly lie but they don’t tell us the truth. The full truth. And that’s the problem. Therefore, educated people who are doing their own research, when they find this out they lose confidence and they think, well, if they’ve not told us the truth about this, then what else haven’t they told us the truth about.

Then we have examples and the most recent one from your country relates to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) and how in this case they actually did lie by removing data from certain studies. I’m sure many of your listeners would know about Dr. William Thompson who still works with the CDC and the whistleblower legislation. He was a coauthor of the study where they actually intentionally and deliberately removed data to come to a conclusion that there was no link between a particular vaccine and autism.

You see, when people discover this, and this is not a conspiracy theory, it’s a fact, when people discover this they think, “Well, if they’ve manipulated the figures here, where else have they manipulated the figures?” All we need and deserve as parents and wannabe parents is simple truth. This is what we’re not getting from our scientific leaders and it’s such a shame. The problem is that the politicians who basically most of whom are ignorant about medical things, they’re heavily influenced by support financial and otherwise they get. They’re also heavily influenced because not all of them are bored off, I’m not saying at the moment, but they’re heavily influenced by the advice that they get from esteemed scientists, people with the most impressive qualifications in the highest medical positions in our countries and our research institutions. They think, “Well, these guys, you know, they’re so much smarter than I am. If they say something, it’s got to be true.” The fact is that often it isn’t, and this is a real problem.

60:38 CL: Just a short on that one. When that came out and if you bring that up to people, it’s just too overwhelming, that information. They kind of go back to, well, Dr. Andrew Wakefield. He was discredited on everything. It’s scary for people to face that maybe they’re not getting the entire truth and I think we need to kind of scoot on from that because that is a whole other conversation. I think we’ve planted some seeds for people just to go out and gather more information. There’s so much misinformation out there and it is really challenging to disseminate the truths from the half-truths and lies and things like that. There’s a lot of money at stake.

IG: Charlene, look, I’m really sorry but I’ve just had an emergency happen in the business. I don’t know if you’re able to wait this later but I’m afraid I’m going to have to…

61:46 CL: Oh yeah, absolutely. We covered so much.

IG: Just a couple minutes. Is that all right? Or do you think we’ve done enough?

61:54 CL: We’ve done so much. Can I invite you back for a part 2?

IG: I can come right back just to finish up.

61:59 CL: Sure, okay. I’ll pause it.

IG: Yeah. Just hold a second. Sorry, I’m back.

62:04 CL: It’s okay. I hope everything is okay.

IG: It was a lost key to a business that I own and they couldn’t get in. I live in the bush.

62:13 CL: Oh, okay. I thought like a water pipe had broken or something. Okay.

IG: Sorry about that.

62:21 CL: It’s okay. No problem. Hey, how can people find out more about you and your work?

IG: So I have a website www.homstudy.net.

62:36 CL: Okay, I’m going to put that in the podcast notes.

IG: Think of homeopathy study. So homstudy.net. They can have a look there and certainly there’s an immunization page and some summaries of information about that. I’ve written books about these different topics. They can see what’s available there and that’s probably the first point of call.

62:59 CL: Okay. I just want to, I often forget… if you like the content that we’re sharing and you appreciate the guest that we’ve brought on, please support us at Fertility Hour by subscribing, share your comments. We will read all comments and we appreciate your support so much.

Oh yeah, I wanted to ask you and we’re heading towards the end of our conversation. We talked about homeoprophylaxis and I wanted to talk about it more but I feel like that’s almost like a part 2 interview because you’ve spoken about it but then we didn’t really maybe explain it a little bit more. So people can obviously look it up on your website and you’ll give an explanation of it, correct?

IG: Well, I’ll give more a summary of the evidence of the effectiveness. Because as I said before, we know it’s safe but there’s no point in having something safe that doesn’t work. So what I’ve spent 30 years doing is trying to collect evidence. As I said, when I started, we had almost 200 years of clinical evidence but no statistical studies of any note. And now, particularly over the last decade and a half, there’s massive statistical evidence looking at effectiveness in literally tens of millions of people. And at the bottom of my immunization page on my website there’s a little 10-minute video people might want to have a look. It talks about it’s used in three countries in 26 particular interventions and when you look at an annualized basis involving over 91 million people, and most of these interventions were done by government-employed doctors. So this is not some crazy thing that weird homeopaths have come up with and it’s used by a few people over here and a few people over there. In some countries, literally tens of millions of people are involved.

And as I said earlier, I’m going back to India next month to work with the wonderful people over there at CCRH and in other places. In Kerala State they have something called the REACH Program which involves all the doctors all around the state having a reporting system. If there’s an outbreak of an infectious disease, they work out the remedy that’s needed to prevent as well as treat and they broadcast that to the REACH groups all across the state so that people are prepared and can be immunized homeopathically in advance if something spreads. They’ve had wonderful results with that. I mean, their methods and systems over there can lead the world but of course there’s a lot of smuggery and the other thing is there’s no money in it.

65:48 CL: There’s no money, yeah. Because if you’re listening today and going, “Well, I’ve never heard of this.” I was blown away when I read about epidemics being stopped in their tracks using homeoprophylaxis and you go, “I’ve never heard of this outside of this literature.” Because honestly, there’s no money in it. For a couple of rupees or pennies a day, you could protect so many people. But yeah, you might not hear about it unless you kind of listen to programs like ours, find out more about Dr. Isaac’s work. There are practitioners here in the United States. There’s also a book called The Solution. Well, anyway, there’s information that you can find out more.

So kind of to recap as far as like immunizations during the time that you’re trying to conceive, homeopathy just provides a very viable, effective, safe solution that I feel like people should know about. As far as vaccinating your own child, that’s a very personal decision but there are side effects to vaccines and homeopathy can address those as well.

IG: Well, it’s a separate issue. Immunizing and removing or treating vaccine injury are two quite separate things, but in a way, they’re different sides of the same coin. But look, if you’d like to and if your listeners would like to have another little session, maybe after I get back from India because I could share with you some of the latest research that I’d been finding out myself. Because I go there to learn. I don’t go there to preach or convert. I go there to learn what they’re doing and it’s a great honor and privilege for me to be able to do that.

Just as I said when I used to go to Cuba from 2008 to 2012, it was a wonderful learning experience and they had some amazing examples like if I can just give you one very, very briefly, in 2010 the swine flu scare or was it 2012, anyway whichever, was coming through the world, the Cuban government instructed the people of Finlay Institute to immunize the whole country over 12 months of age against swine flu. 9.8 million people. When we look at the data, there are I think already a dozen, very, very few cases, but that didn’t prove anything because you didn’t know how many people brought the disease in. But at the same time, they immunized against pneumococcal disease and when you look at the graph for the 2010, it went down like that and the next year back up again. So it was unambiguous that it had a significant effect on this pneumococcal disease.

So this was an experiment on a whole country directed by a government and we can’t get a better experiment than that. They did massive interventions there against leptospirosis. They’ve also done wonderful work with dengue fever, hepatitis, cholera, etc. So I know people in America may have different views about Cuba because of the history but basically because of the American embargo over the last 50+ years, big pharma couldn’t work in there and they thought they had to become self-sufficient. So they vaccinate, they use a lot of vaccines. The scientists who did this in Cuba were the people who made the vaccines. The Finlay Institute is a vaccine manufacturer. But they were also the ones who were dispensing the homeopathic immunization. That’s what I call real science, genuine science where these people are experts in vaccines saying, “Okay, this is an option which will save lives and prevent suffering.” It’s not a matter of we’re going to try and make this option the premier one and this one secondary. This option is what is best now to save lives and they did it. And you know what, it worked out at about 1/20th the cost of the swine flu vaccine.

70:22 CL: Oh, I imagine.

IG: They spent 200 million dollars on swine flu vaccine, most of which was never even used. You could have immunized the whole of Australia for about 10 million dollars with homeopathic without any risk of side effects. This is the economics we’re talking about. But anyway, if you like, I would be happy to, for a surge here in the conversation and –

70:47 CL: Oh, yeah. Because in part 2, you know what I want to ask you is, with homeoprophylaxis, a woman was having a conversation with her doctor and he’s familiar with homeopathy, I don’t know to what extent, he said, “That doesn’t make sense to me. Homeopathic remedies are used with the disease is already in the body, not prophylactically,” and so that I want to ask.

IG: Can I just answer that really quickly? The first person to use homeopathic medicines prophylactically was Dr. Hahnemann who founded homeopathy. He used it in 1798 as I said before. So any “classical” homeopath who says they should only be used for treatment and that’s what a lot of people are taught in colleges incorrectly, they should look at Hahnemann, the founder of homeopathy who was the founder of homeoprophylaxis. I’m going to say no more on that.

71:47 CL: Thank you for just really clarifying that in a short and concise way. Here is another thing and this is more to our listeners. I was interviewing Dr. Leah Hechtman. She’s a naturopath and an endometriosis researcher and she worked with a colleague that said about 80 percent of women with severe endometriosis had severe sexual trauma in their lives and so then I’m thinking homeopathy to treat endometriosis because you’re really treating that deep sexual trauma.

IG: Absolutely. And I wouldn’t be surprised if that is pretty close to the money. The other thing is that whilst you need to treat the deep sexual trauma, there’s a physical or there’s a remedy that we use for scarring and adhesions called Thiosinaminum and very often I give that in low potency repeated frequently just to work physically for women with a lot of endometriosis issues and it’s very, very helpful in many cases. So we can work from the physical, we can work from the deep psychological towards the solution. So homeopathy has a lot of flexibility with something like that.

73:08 CL: Absolutely, that is. So I’m inviting you back to a part 2. I will reach out to you. I thank you so much for this interview. I know you said you were out in the bush. That worried me about the internet connection but I think other than a few tiny spotty moments in the beginning, I think it went very well. I love listening to you. You’re just so poetic in your explanation of it. I could listen to you for hours. Okay, I will reach out, Dr. Isaac. Thank you very much. I very much appreciate your time.

IG: And blessings to you and all your listeners. Thank you.

73:36 CL: Thank you. All right. Bye-bye!

IG: Bye-bye!